Dockwalliper
Aug 23 2007, 05:25 PM
Now the Senate and the House have acted on the "Native American $1 Coin Act," which would add scenes from our American Indian past to our current dollar coinage, and a linguistic battle has emerged that could well prevent the measure from becoming law.
At stake is the pronunciation and spelling of the name of Lewis and Clark's great heroine, Sacagawea (Senate bill) or Sakakawea (House version).http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/Articl...;ArticleId=2732Last I looked this bill also included edge lettering for the Sackie. The same edge lettering that the same congress is trying to remove from the President dollars.
Congress should get out of the coin business.
dustin43160
Aug 23 2007, 05:47 PM
congress shouldnt decide on what cons i have in my mind i think there should be a group of coin freaks that should decide because congress really sucks at making good coins.. dont get my wrong the sackie and the presi look good if there proof. in my mind the congress doesnt care just as long as there is coins in circulation they dont care..
Scottishmoney
Aug 23 2007, 05:49 PM
Casinos?
BigCanadianM
Aug 23 2007, 06:20 PM
But they have to do everything at least twice! Otherwise, it would be some uber-country.

@ Scott
crystalk64
Aug 23 2007, 06:40 PM
I can think of a WHOLE lot of other things Congess needs to stay out of but that would be wasted effort as well! I have come to the conclusion that getting elected to any public office automatically qualifies one to lose all common sense, protects one from ever having to give an honest answer to the most simpliest of questions and to play stupid until voted out of office or until the life long retirement income and benefits, which are free of course, kick in! And, at that point in time they regain their intelligence and common sense just enough to charge outlandish fees for a speech concerning all the things they did or did not do while in office or pay a silent author to write them a book. Coinage is NOT a congressional strong point and they prove it repeatedly year end and year out! You pat my back and I will pat yours IS a requirement to retain office! The sad part of it all is, WE the voter can't take it upon ourselves to use the Constitutional gift called voting and in just two or three elections vote out all sitting incumbents, regardless of party lines! Put ALL of them out. So who really is to blame for the wall between us and the elected officials?
dustin43160
Aug 23 2007, 06:45 PM
QUOTE(crystalk64 @ Aug 23 2007, 02:40 PM)

I can think of a WHOLE lot of other things Congess needs to stay out of but that would be wasted effort as well! I have come to the conclusion that getting elected to any public office automatically qualifies one to lose all common sense, protects one from ever having to give an honest answer to the most simpliest of questions and to play stupid until voted out of office or until the life long retirement income and benefits, which are free of course, kick in! And, at that point in time they regain their intelligence and common sense just enough to charge outlandish fees for a speech concerning all the things they did or did not do while in office or pay a silent author to write them a book. Coinage is NOT a congressional strong point and they prove it repeatedly year end and year out! You pat my back and I will pat yours IS a requirement to retain office! The sad part of it all is, WE the voter can't take it upon ourselves to use the Constitutional gift called voting and in just two or three elections vote out all sitting incumbents, regardless of party lines! Put ALL of them out. So who really is to blame for the wall between us and the elected officials?
like ive said before people in office shouldnt get paid!!! should be like jury dutie!
Scottishmoney
Aug 23 2007, 08:21 PM
QUOTE(dustin43160 @ Aug 23 2007, 02:45 PM)

like ive said before people in office shouldnt get paid!!! should be like jury dutie!
You haven't been called yet because of your age, but next year you are on the list. Kind of great how you cannot do anything fun like drink or smoke(yeah right) until you are 21, but the un fun stuff like getting jury duty notices come starting at 18. Most places pay like $6 a day, but some are more. I got called back in 1995 on a murder trial and was selected, I earned a whopping $30 and got no compensation from my employer for my lost wages. BTW the guy got 30 years and went to Texas State Prison, where he still is unless he croaked. In Texas if you get a sentence like 30-40 years you can kiss good behaviour parole away.
dustin43160
Aug 23 2007, 08:31 PM
eh i wont mind!!
Dockwalliper
Aug 23 2007, 08:56 PM
Its things like this that make me think that the bills that would give the Treasury Secretary the power to change the composition of American coinage are a the first of future laws that would get congress out of the coinage business.
Scottishmoney
Aug 23 2007, 09:08 PM
QUOTE(Dockwalliper @ Aug 23 2007, 04:56 PM)

Its things like this that make me think that the bills that would give the Treasury Secretary the power to change the composition of American coinage are a the first of future laws that would get congress out of the coinage business.
Unless you get an idiot in that office. I say we clone Teddy Roosevelt and Adolph Weinman, and Augustus St. Gaudens and just start all over again.
Scottishmoney
Aug 23 2007, 09:15 PM
Bring back the Indian Nickel, aka the Buffalo Nickel.
dustin43160
Aug 23 2007, 09:19 PM
QUOTE(Scottishmoney @ Aug 23 2007, 05:15 PM)

Bring back the Indian Nickel, aka the Buffalo Nickel.
i second that!!
roaddevil
Aug 24 2007, 10:01 AM
i third that
QUOTE
congress shouldnt decide on what cons i have in my mind i think there should be a group of coin freaks that should decide because congress really sucks at making good coins.. dont get my wrong the sackie and the presi look good if there proof. in my mind the congress doesnt care just as long as there is coins in circulation they dont care..
that 2 x) muahahah coinppl must be elected 2 decide these stuff ahhh i can picture it now .....scott with women on his designs .....gx with russian or korean designs

......dustin with cars on em ......bigm with bananas on em

...... etc ^_^ me ill keep random stuff on it

pics of dogs xD lions ....to traffic lights xD lol
Scottishmoney
Aug 24 2007, 10:27 AM
QUOTE(roaddevil @ Aug 24 2007, 06:01 AM)

.scott with women on his designs .....gx with russian or korean designs

......dustin with cars on em ......bigm with bananas on em

...... etc ^_^ me ill keep random stuff on it

pics of dogs xD lions ....to traffic lights xD lol
Women on coins and banknotes are far more attractive than cars, or dogs, or hammers and sickles.
YeOldeCollector
Aug 24 2007, 11:41 AM
I have to agree, women look much better than crosses. Now why didn't the Medieval moneyers think of that...
The Royal Mint have stepped up their production of 'commemorative' coins now, no more bland designs. We now have bridges, locomotives, DNA Helix and heads on our pounds/two pounds. Lets just hope they don't put Margaret Thatcher on our coins...
tabbs
Aug 24 2007, 11:54 AM
QUOTE(YeOldeCollector @ Aug 24 2007, 01:41 PM)

I have to agree, women look much better than crosses. Now why didn't the Medieval moneyers think of that...

Because of ... errm ... this.

A bracteate (Zurich, around 1300) showing Elisabeth von Spiegelberg. Taken from these "Women on Coins" tours:
http://secure2.moneymuseum.com/frontend/mo...tour?uuid=65265http://secure2.moneymuseum.com/frontend/mo...tour?uuid=92253Christian
YeOldeCollector
Aug 24 2007, 11:57 AM
OK, you win that time! Perhaps the modern designs, that one looks like a dead pig...
Clive.
TreasureGirl
Aug 24 2007, 12:41 PM
I vote, that once we honor all of our presidents on U.S. circulating

coinage by 2016, we need to go back to the Liberty and Indian designs!
Not that I would mind seeing them sooner...
Back on topic - so, how long is this Indian scenes thing going to last? Do we have designs for our coinage planned until 2100 or something? Sheesh.
Topher
Aug 24 2007, 01:04 PM
QUOTE(Scottishmoney @ Aug 23 2007, 05:15 PM)

Bring back the Indian Nickel, aka the Buffalo Nickel.
But incuse the date, instead of having it be the highest point.
Scottishmoney
Aug 24 2007, 02:49 PM
QUOTE(TreasureGirl @ Aug 24 2007, 08:41 AM)

Back on topic - so, how long is this Indian scenes thing going to last? Do we have designs for our coinage planned until 2100 or something? Sheesh.
I think we really need to do the every living American series like Mad Magazine proposed back in the 1970's.
Scottishmoney
Aug 24 2007, 02:55 PM
QUOTE(tabbs @ Aug 24 2007, 07:54 AM)

Because of ... errm ... this.

A bracteate (Zurich, around 1300) showing Elisabeth von Spiegelberg. Taken from these "Women on Coins" tours:
http://secure2.moneymuseum.com/frontend/mo...tour?uuid=65265http://secure2.moneymuseum.com/frontend/mo...tour?uuid=92253Christian
They must have plugged her mouth
NumisMattic2200
Aug 24 2007, 04:17 PM
Hehe..sounds like your Government is as self-befuddling as ours over here in Britt-land..
Of the two pronunciations, which is the way the indigenous people would pronounce it?
I think that would be most accurate..
Scottishmoney
Aug 24 2007, 06:13 PM
QUOTE(NumisMattic2200 @ Aug 24 2007, 12:17 PM)

Hehe..sounds like your Government is as self-befuddling as ours over here in Britt-land..
Of the two pronunciations, which is the way the indigenous people would pronounce it?
I think that would be most accurate..
Well now that the Scottish PM rules Britannia, you can count on many changes.
crystalk64
Aug 24 2007, 07:47 PM
No DON'T incuse the dates! The quicker they wear off the more OURS will be worth for all the love and care we put into protecting them from circulation. We want all the circulating coins to wear VERY QUICKLY so OURS become those high grades collectors will seek in the future. Just make sure you grab plenty of each coin and put them away.
Bring back anything, Buffalo/Indians, Ladies, Wildlife or natural resources but please just can the politicians for once and for all!!!
roaddevil
Aug 24 2007, 09:42 PM
i dont care if its a rare coin .... cheap coin or w/e

i dont care how many exist or who has em

as long as i have 1 in my collection im happy

...if i like it i want others 2 have 1 cause i know they may like it 2

dont want 2 be special in being the only person that has 1 cause it will make me worry more bout protecting the coin then enjoying it
Dockwalliper
Aug 24 2007, 11:58 PM
QUOTE(Scottishmoney @ Aug 24 2007, 10:49 AM)

I think we really need to do the every living American series like Mad Magazine proposed back in the 1970's.

Or the US county cent series that "The Onion" reported.
Scottishmoney
Aug 25 2007, 01:08 AM
QUOTE(Dockwalliper @ Aug 24 2007, 07:58 PM)

Or the US county cent series that "The Onion" reported.
I could care less for the First Lady coins, but it would be a lot more interesting if they did a coin series commemorating the First "Other Woman" that quite a few of the Presidents had at one time or another. Think Harding, Kennedy, Clinton, Bush(whoops the secret is out)
TreasureGirl
Aug 25 2007, 04:55 AM
That is all well and good but I think Congress might get yelled at when they get to Jefferson.
NumisMattic2200
Aug 25 2007, 11:04 AM
QUOTE(Scottishmoney @ Aug 24 2007, 07:13 PM)

Well now that the Scottish PM rules Britannia, you can count on many changes.

To be rid of Tony Blair I wouldn't care if he were an ex-IRA man..
YeOldeCollector
Aug 25 2007, 11:10 AM
Tony Blair was born in Scotland, two Scottish PM's on a row!!!
Lets just hope that our national anthem isn't played with bagpipes...
Scottishmoney
Aug 25 2007, 11:27 AM
QUOTE(NumisMattic2200 @ Aug 25 2007, 07:04 AM)

To be rid of Tony Blair I wouldn't care if he were an ex-IRA man..
Be careful with that statement, do you want PM Gerry Adams
Scottishmoney
Aug 25 2007, 11:28 AM
QUOTE(YeOldeCollector @ Aug 25 2007, 07:10 AM)

Tony Blair was born in Scotland, two Scottish PM's on a row!!!
Lets just hope that our national anthem isn't played with bagpipes...
Yeah, it is time for a Cornish PM
YeOldeCollector
Aug 25 2007, 11:32 AM
Why Cornish?
NumisMattic2200
Aug 25 2007, 11:36 AM
Mmmm clotted cream in the UK!!!
YeOldeCollector
Aug 25 2007, 11:38 AM
We'll end up with the congestion charge in London being relaxed for tractors and all cafes selling pasties...
NumisMattic2200
Aug 25 2007, 11:46 AM
Pros and cons then hehe....
Scottishmoney
Aug 25 2007, 12:34 PM
I had clotted creme while back on a roll, but somehow the name of the concoction just sends shivers of clotted arteries. Now Pasties on the other hand, those do sound quite fair for the feast this nacht.
BTW those tractors should be pulling long carriages, they will take the place of the double deckers. All lorries will be pulled by oxen ta.
Scottishmoney
Aug 25 2007, 12:36 PM
BTW, why Cornish, me says whay nay? The ones out in west country have history of pillaging shipwrecks etc off of the rocks, so they are more than qualified for pillaging the government at Westminster.
NumisMattic2200
Aug 26 2007, 09:19 PM
Nice one...
Dockwalliper
Sep 7 2007, 11:38 PM
Looks like the House & Senate passed the House version so we keep the Sacagawea. The bill also reduces the mintage from 33% of all dollar coins to 20%.
We also get...... In General- In order to remove barriers to circulation, the Secretary of the Treasury shall carry out an aggressive, cost-effective, continuing campaign to encourage commercial enterprises to accept and dispense $1 coins that have as designs on the obverse the so-called `Sacagawea design'.
Scottishmoney
Sep 8 2007, 12:12 AM
QUOTE(Dockwalliper @ Sep 7 2007, 07:38 PM)

Looks like the House & Senate passed the House version so we keep the Sacagawea. The bill also reduces the mintage from 33% of all dollar coins to 20%.
We also get...... In General- In order to remove barriers to circulation, the Secretary of the Treasury shall carry out an aggressive, cost-effective, continuing campaign to encourage commercial enterprises to accept and dispense $1 coins that have as designs on the obverse the so-called `Sacagawea design'.
Nice to know with more pressing matters including the economy that this is such an important matter to the US Congress.
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