Interesting coins were just listed on e-bay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Russia-5-Kopeks-1757-M...1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Russia-5-Kopeks-1787-M...1QQcmdZViewItem

WCO

im glad im not oldenough to have an ebay account

Could you give the pointers to recognize them as fake?

Regards,

Jos

Older people than yourself have eBay accounts and are far less mature.

The lettering in the denomination is off, the surfaces are too "clean".

this fakes r easily rocognized
another fakes
http://www.numismat.ru./cgi-bin/analisis.cgi?view=coins

Thank you WCO and p911 for great information. That should keep me buisy for quite some time.

And thank you Scottishmoney for the explanation. When one does not have enough experience, it's hard to know if what one sees is actually what one is supposed to see as the problem with a particular coin, and it's great to have someone who knows confirm one's suspicion.

m just too leary of people on ebay i might get an account but ill only bid on things lower than 5$

More fakes...

http://cgi.ebay.com/RUSSIA-KOPECK-1727_W0Q...1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/RUSSIA-SILVER-15-KOPEC...1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/RUSSIA-RARE-6-KOPECK-C...1QQcmdZViewItem

WCO

Too good to be true ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=320131569310

I don't know. I don't see anything that screams "FAKE!" at me, but the forgers are getting better all the time.

It looks like an unusually nice example and I think it might even be real.

Another fake on EBay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/RUSSIA-RUBEL-ROUBEL-17...1QQcmdZViewItem

So much money for so obvious fake:

http://cgi.ebay.com/RUSSIAN-SILVER-COIN-1-...1QQcmdZViewItem

Also 1726 Polupoltina: http://cgi.ebay.com/1726-RUSSIA-POLPOLTINA...1QQcmdZViewItem

WCO

Someone sure paid some genuine money for it.... $3K and change.
Is that about right based on recent big auctions?

poor people... im glad i dont buy from ebay...

as long as their r coin collecters or coins their will be fakes

Here's one that looks not quite as nice as the ebay coin and which brought somewhat less.

Here's another one which looks nicer than the ebay coin and brought significantly more.

Both are recent auction results.

If it is real, then the ebay buyer probably got a good deal (but this is an ebay offering, so some healthy skepticism is in order).

Thanks for looking that up, Grivna.
I also dont see anything obvious about that Sun Rouble. Looks like a nice coin.
The seller seems to be a dealer, so there would hopefuly be return if unhappy privelage, but buying based on a photo on ebay is always a risk.

Im just kicking myself for not buying one of about the same grade and type, for $400, back in the 90's.

Note to self: Don't buy coins, especially old Russian coins, unless your willing to lose your money.

But surf for good laughs!
http://cgi.ebay.com/1865-GEORGE-WASHINGTON...QcategoryZ20097

That is a beautiful coin.

But why would anyone deliberately mark it in black ink (figure 8 on the reverse)? Wouldn't that affect the value?

It was probably done a long time ago. Some prominent Russian collectors even had their own countermarks, or "brands", that they actually embossed on coins to designate their ownership (read about this in Uzdenikov, 2nd edition, page 659). Although there were a few important collections which might impart added value to a coin with such a stamp, it is obviously a pratice which is highly discouraged today (for the very reason you mention).

This particular auction also offered a 1877 poltina with some Japanese (???) character(s) written in red ink on it ... it was part of lot 499. The catalog says it was 1876 with red ink, but it was actually 1877 (and there was also an 1876 poltina in lot 499 WITHOUT red ink, but condition only VF or so ... there was a better 1876 poltina sold individually as a separate lot in that auction).

Japanese? Link please - I might be able to translate

Russian coins are occasionally encountered with things written on them using permanent ink by collectors and/or museums in the past.

Here is an 1836 1½ roubles coin which also bears inked markings.

Hey Grivna
Do you know the best way to get something written in permeate marker off. Somebody at work used a permanent marker on a whiteboard once and people were trying to rub in off to no avail.
Then somebody else showed me a trick. You write over the permeate marker writing with a normal whiteboard marker then when you wipe it the writing comes off (you could probably dab it off with cotton wool).
Not saying you should try this on a coin but it definitely works.

ya it does i do it at school sometimes when some1 writes with permanent marker we rub it off by writing over it with a normal marker (i have experience cause i write on tables with markers ) don know bout coins try it out on a normal crappy coin u dont want first

Thank you for the suggestion, but I doubt this ink is of similar chemical composition to the stuff that is in permanent markers.

I have toyed with the idea of trying to remove it chemically (acetone?), but I think that even if that was successful, I would probably be left with an untoned area (where the ink used to be) and that would not be an improvement.

So I have left it alone.

It was a multiple-coin lot (advertised as 8 coins, but actually there were 9). Only the 1902 50 kopeek coin was pictured in the auction catalog. And since I didn't win the lot, I can't supply my own pictures, either.

You can find the auction catalog on the http://www.sixbid.com website (Hess-Divo, Auction 306, lot 499).

Thank you Bobh and Grivna1729 for the explanation about the markings by some collectors and thank you Bob for the Uzdenikov reference. I guess it's equivalent to some "Ex Libris" stamps on rare books.

Here is something on the obverse that also appears to be some sort of stamp (?) that someone has tried to
erase.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1872-RUSSIA-SILVER-ROU...1QQcmdZViewItem

You're welcome!


Too bad ... 1872 is a fairly tough year, and if it weren't for the damage, that would be quite a find!
But maybe you can get it cheaply???

More fakes from California !!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/RUSSIAN-GOLD-IMPERIAL-...1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/RUSSIAN-PLATINUM-IMPER...1QQcmdZViewItem

i just found 2 fakes in my collection 1 east india coin 1839 (might still be a medal ) an 1 victoria empress 1 rupee that i had for a long time an always suspected cause it was bronze an not silver ah well anyways im targeting british india coins now they r fun to collect an easy to get where im from

Another joke:

http://cgi.ebay.com/RUSSIA-Gold-medal-16-1...1QQcmdZViewItem

Siberian fake:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1764-RUSSIA-SIBERIA-1-...1QQcmdZViewItem


WCO

Try using vodka, or the stuff that ladies use to take of the nail varnish (acetone), AFTER YOU SOAK THE COIN IN SOAP FOR A WEEK. Dont you people know how to treat coins without ruining them?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Russian-gold-coin-3rou...1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=190132903838

Recently listed fakes:

http://cgi.ebay.com/RUSSIAN-ROUBLE-1725-YR...1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/I-Russia-silver-coin-P...1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=300135564555


This one looks familiar (discassed earlier):

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Russian-15-Rouble...1QQcmdZViewItem

Ugly fake:

http://cgi.ebay.com/IMPERIAL-RUSSIA-SILVER...1QQcmdZViewItem

another fake...
http://cgi.ebay.com/1764-RUSSIA-SIBERIA-1-...1QQcmdZViewItem

This is the exact same photo as the item posted by Oldman and Marina:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...bayphotohosting

Sold for $1,225.00

Only now it's offered by a different seller who added another photo as well.

This is a different coin. Might be the same pair of dies , though.

looks fake to me :-
http://cgi.ebay.com/1763-RUSSIA-CATHERIN-I...1QQcmdZViewItem

The link is broken.

Is this the one you mean?

LINK.

up tnx

That looks fine to me, just planchet issue and regular wear.

This particular coin was removed from EBay by the seller this morning. I wonder Why ?

a whole lot of euros for this one.....

http://cgi.ebay.de/Alte-russische-Muenze-1...1QQcmdZViewItem

link doesnt work :/

Here you go.

ty

Maybe because the authenticity of the coin is in dispute?

Interesting enough that when I contacted the seller directly via EBay, he was very polite and cooperative . After brief email exchange I was able to convience him that the coin listed was of a questionable origin. Has anyone dealt with the guy before ?