Hello People

Any Opinions about this coin?
How popular on market? and Price opinions?

Pictures shows up the Gem condition.

Probably "p911" can tell his opinion?

Thank you.

It skyrockted to prices that I don't really know how much it costs these days It definately is hot and I painfully regret the day that I could have bought a XF for just under 200USD 3 years ago

Last I remember a NGC(?) MS60 blew over 2000USD last year. Who knows what will be this year. I'm certain it will be much higher. I could possibly record down a list of how much coins were sold off but honestly, to put a list of the coins that I could have got at ridicious prices just puts everything off

Hi gxseries,

Thank you for a Message.

Any opinions?

GHV, if you have difficulty uploading an image here, you can always get a free account at http://www.imageshack.us or alternatively http://www.photobucket.com

Once you upload your image there, all you need to do is to type in the code like this:



The url code is what you get from uploading the picture.

I'm sure you can upload your pictures here too but it's limited and once it gets full, you'll have to delete your older images.

gxseries, thank you for a help, but looks like image had large size, I just reduced and looks like all right

Damn that's a beauty coin! Very nice. I do remember vaguely that there are high quality counterfeits out there.

It is argued that it is the most beautiful commemorative coin ever minted (perhaps with the exception of the marriage ruble?) but sadly the reverse isn't up to it. (or probably the mintmaster got too tired from designing with the obverse and ran out of energy ) If I am not mistaken, isn't the text of "1812... -1912" taken from a commemorative medal too? Previous designs all commemorative coins were often inspired by medals that existed.

Price wise, I wouldn't dare to comment. The best is to check the big auction houses and check the realized price. That will be the most realistic price

Thanks for showing your hot coin there

MS63 recently (a month ago or so) went for 2400$ or near that.

so the circulation of this coin is 26 500/
the coin in my avatar i bought for 1400USD 2 month ago/

p911, your avatar coin looks to me as XF/AU?
m I wrong?

almost XF maybe XF-

Yes, so I was right, it looks to me like that from picture that you have (even in that not real good scan)

So I think if Almost XF coin can worth about $1400, I guess UNC (ms63-65 will be about 3-5k ? (
What do you think?

I think u r almost right
here is a link of russian aucion
http://www.adacoins.ru/detail.php?cid=1932&aid=5

Thanks you for Info p11, as I see this coin on web site action that you provided relised for $2200 (plus probably commisions) and graded MS62. Sounds interesting.

yep and this auctin was in the end of 2006

wow!

After reading the above current prices, I think back to about 1960 when I purchased a gem 1912 Borodino rouble for the princely sum of $12.50. The same firm also offered a 1917 10 kopecks, equally nice, for a dollar.

In my opinion this is the finest rouble, in terms of design, issued by Imperial Russia.

RWJ

Welcome to Topic Julian,

I'm agree with you about the design of Borodino 1912 rouble, one of the Finest, (if not the finest one)
Eagle side has very nice design-work, and about reverse, I would like to say that it is looks good too, because it should be a simple than observe. Should be more light, and not heavy designed like observe. Both sides "plays" very well to each other.

Also I like your price $12.50

Thanks for your Opinion

This is what I bought for $400 in 1994. It was a lot of money then. Simple Unc 1912 napoleon was $150 - 200.

Is it too expensive? Considering the current prices for gold and oil and the whole unstability in the World, I think it's a very fair price for such coin.

BKB, thanx for another Great Picture of this coin.
Is this coin that you paid $400 in 1994?
Is this coin graded or? MS?

I love design of the Observe, Super-Duper!

MS64. Not for sale. Only for exchange:)

I confused, is that coin of BKB or Cheburgen?

The coin is not mine. Nice coin, by the way.

Coin is NGC MS64, whatever that means. I bought it from Mark Teller.

Here is a nice one. It is NGC MS 65.
The design of these coins is very nice, but I am not sure that today's prices reflect true reality.

Igors, are you suggesting that the prices are still too low for them?

Qxseries, quite opposite. I think prices are crazy high, and not just for them.

Guys,

A little bit offtopic..
While I agree that reverse side of 1912 rouble is one of the best (second best I think) - no other conmemorative can beat Marriage rouble.

That is if you are a follower of the school of thought that it is indead a rouble, not a medal ( I mean all of them).

Based on your post on Staraya Moneta, you are on the hot trail. Please share with us if it goes through. Myself, I found it the hardest to find it in copper.

Well,.... you asked

I will not post better quality, because - to be honest - something from my set I sold and now it is with another collector.

The sixth variety not pictured here - is the reeded edge 1841 HГ in gold is with a Moscow - as far as I know it is the only original gold rouble in Russia. If necessary - I can give a link to its picture.
Now on these 5 pictures are - copper plain edge, silver reeded and plain edge (thin flan), silver plain edge medal (thick flan), silver reeded HI novodel. BTW - novodel is from Diakov catalog - so this is why I asked about it on other forum.

Very nice
I broke up my set, kept the two with reeded edges and the copper one.
There are some thoughts that reeded novodel was struck to commemorate the 10th anniversary of marriage. That's the reason I kept the "novodel".

Judging by the die - it was not kept very well for those 10 years. Is yout HI 'novodel' a proof or regular die?

The question of the Marriage rouble is contentious. Dr. I.G. Spassky, after a review of archival documents and published materials, declared these pieces to be medals. Uzdenikov, on the other hand, classifies them as roubles.

My personal view is that Dr. Spassky was correct.

RWJ

The only reason for this controversy is that Ilyin&Co and Grand Duke included this particular 'medal-coin' into their catalogs. Grand Duke on page 226 gives references and quotes from some archival documents and even contemporary bureaucratic correspondence dated 1841 mixed up the words coin and medal. So this is a tradition started 160+ years ago to argue about what is it. Note that no other medal even in rouble diameter was ever included into Ilyin and Grand Duke references.

Maybe some day some great numismatic brains decide that Marriage rouble is not a rouble (like was decided that Pluto is not a planet) but untill then - imho - these pieces will catch attention of numismatists, and not medal collectors.

Mine was graded PF 62 by NGC.

Sometimes the distinction between coins and medals is not as clear as is often assumed.

If a coronation "jeton" is struck in gold to the standard of a ducat, is it a coin or a small medal? The ducat bears no denomination, is defined by its gold content, and is usually considered a coin.

The Kunersdorf "rouble" is another example. It circulated as a rouble even though originally issued as a military award. If it was accepted as a rouble and actually circulated as money, why shouldn't it be considered a coin?

Are you saying that Spassky was not a great numismatic brain?
In my opinion, what often catches attention of coin collectors is a question of marketing, courtesy of their dealers/suppliers.

I am confused. Was that coin ever circulated as legal tender? Is not that the definition of a coin? I believe most commerative rubles have the denomination on the coin. Perhaps these topics have been discussed during the previous 160 years of that argument. I am just looking at the situation as an observer who hasnt read the literature on the debate. If its a ruble, it should say "ruble"

Uzdenikov is a great numismatic brain too, so this discussion can last another 160 years Somebody thinks that Gangut rouble was medal too - that is never meant for circulation (like other numerous coins) and supposed to be given to celebration participants. Personally I do not have an opinion if it is a coin or a medal. Who am I to judge if they did not know it back in 1841?

Now I agree with you fully.
Not too many of us are doing something original in our collecting patterns. It all has been done before us and will be done again after us (hopefully ). We just need to do whatever pleases our collecting "desease". Medal or coin - who cares. We love owning it and it gives us moments of positive emotions.

It is the pride of accomplishment.

Hey, guys. Napoleon was defeated in 1812

it comemorates 100 years from his defeat