Probably another fake:

1811-KM, 2 kopeiki

What do you think?

Looks ok. Why do you think it is a fake?

Letters look somewhat soft, coin is too clean, but maybe it has been cleaned?? From these pictures alone it is difficult to tell.

I believe that's the quality of 2 kopeks that were around from that time, coming out from the KM mint. This is what I have:

Thanks, gxseries. Now that I have something to compare with that eBay coin, there are fewer differences than I first thought. The letters in "КОПЂЙКИ" look too wide, most of all the "П". Also, the mintmaster initials are larger and placed further down than the usual images suggest.

But details such as wreath and relative placement of the "2" above the word "КОПЂЙКИ" as well as the shape of the "2" -- all details very hard to fake convincingly -- make me think this is probably genuine, after all.

Thanks for everyone's comments, and especially to gxseries for the pictures of the nice coin!

Looks ok. Not really rare enough to warrant faking. Just looks a little pink from a light cleaning or rubbing. A bit high starting price. This guy also has a nice 1757 2k, but again a bit pricey to start. I predict no takers on either.

Bobh, I might understand what you might be thinking - it's a rather uncommon coin compared to the other EM/SPB/IM typical coins that are much vastly available. Here is another example, much uglier but still, I can't find too many of this type.

Others, if you have any examples of this, please post a picture.



I'm looking for the other 2 kopek that will complete my type set but that's another pain in the neck

Sadly, I am still missing the 1810 km-pb that you have. (If anyone has a duplicate, I am interested) Otherwise, the set is complete. I will try to post images later.

Here are the pictures. So far, I was unable to procure coins in better quality. Probobaly not ready to pay enough.

Thanks BKB, much appericated. Those are some shocker coins. Now my coins just look miserable compared to yours

Pick one, and I will trade you for your 1810 км-пб But seriously, that 1810 km-pb drives me nuts. I am ready to pay $100 -- $250 depending on condition to close the hole. Otherwise, short of novodels and patterns, my 1810 - 1812 2 kopek collection is complete in terms of mintmark/mintmaster variations. I also collect all recorded variations for those years. My 1 kop and 1/2 kop collection for those years is very far from completion, though. However, I am lucky to have both 1/2 and 1 kop 1811 km-pb.
Patterns are very difficult. 2 kop 1811 em-if sold for insane amount of money on Hoiland. Same goes for 1810 em-nm 1/2 kop on Kunker. I was overbid on both by at least 30%. It apears that collecting rare Russian coins, and, especially patterns, demans a bigger sacrifies of family resources than I am prepared to make at this time. I can only imagine what the 1810 2 kop will sell for if it ever again goes on sale... It is clear that I will never have those coins if the prices continue to go up at this rate.

BKB, is this particular coin SO scarce? I expected the 1812 2 kopeks and the minor denomination to be MUCH tougher! Actually this series itself is a genuine challenge! Bobh, are you tempted?

I vaguely remember getting that 1810 2 kopeks just last year for probably 10 odd USD including shipping and I thought that was a bit over. I rarely spend any higher two digits on copper coins so you can expect me to be darn cheap on most of the coins that I spent on. Actually most of my collection AREN'T bought with such mad prices from the beginning and I intend to due to the mad prices these few years. Can't compete with the mad Russians that are hoarding like there is no future. That even means going for ultra crap, damaged and corroded coins!

Perhaps there is hope out there. Will let you know if I come across another one

oops.. i keep forgetting this is 2007, not 1997!