It finally arrived! Not the worst contition also. Judging from the catalogs, it is a little better than Brekke and GM specimens. My small 1767 collection is only missing 1767 MM now. I think MM is easier, though...

Congratulations!

Very nice.

thank you, I looked for it for a long time. It was much easier to find a 1767 SPM.

Congradulations! I can't imagine myself collecting too much pyataks - they just take up too much space!

Very nice, BKB!
Am I correct in my reading of Brekke's mintage numbers, that there were only about 13,000 of these coins struck in 1767?

That is why I do not collect too much pyataks The "EM" series will kill any safe deposit box space.

I only collect: 1. the "MM" series of Elisabeth (it is complete now ) and rare "MM's" of Katherine 2. the year 1767 (I still need the "MM") 3. The "AM" series in AU - Unc. (I am short 2 coins) 4. the "TM" series -- far from completion. However, all these do not amount to a lot of coins -- I project not more than 20 coins total, if I do not branch out into minor variations, which I do not plan to do.

I am not sure where you find the mintage figure for 1767 5 kop of Sestroretsk mint (or SPM or MM for that matter) I believe that everyone including Brekke and Uzdenikov list that the mintage figure was unknown.

Can you plese provide the page number for reference?

Oh, sorry, I was looking in the column for EM overstruck coinage (p. 112 in Brekke) ... you are right, there are no mintage figures given for CM!

CM coins are in general pretty scarce and the only mint that comes much scarce is TM but that is not something I would even dream of collecting. If I had that much money, I'll rather get myself an Imperial Commemorative ruble.

Well, I think 1789 MM is harder than TM, while 1795 MM is impossible to find. As to commemoratives -- today a Nicholas Coronation in Unc. may go for over $1000. However, the coin is very common. I, personally, prefere to spend that kind of money on rare coins. Practically all imperial commemorative roubles are common coins. (except Proofs) Check the frequency of auction appearances and the picture is clear -- the exorbitant $ paid for them is not due to rarity, but popularity. If you have enough money, you can collect all commemorative roubles in Unc. (most in Proof) inside one year. You can even have them in triplicate if you want. Now try to get 1795 MM 5 kop, or 1789 MM 5 kop, or the TM with edge #5. For me the choice is clear -- I would buy a rare copper coin over a common silver coin any day. The fact that they are not widely popular today only makes it easier. Why not buy a 5 kopek coin listed at 25 roubles in Illin for $500 over a rouble that could be obtained at face value in 1904 and that inexplicably costs thousands of dollars today?

BKB, I guess it's a matter of taste. If it must be copper coins from that era, I would rather be getting a 1724 kopek, even if it's overstriked or the 1795MM overstriked on the Sadagura coinages. I'm not too into year type / mint type rarities but instead trying to finish a type set that I started out. That includes unusual overstrikes but that will be VERY expensive

A 1724 kopek is indeed rare. But, if you do not mind to spend $1000-1500, then that dream may become a reality very easy. If you are really interested, I am looking for one in XF, and if you do not care about condition much, then I will send you pictures of F/VF coins offered to me. The Moldavian overstrike is interesting. I only have a 2 kop of 1795 MM. I do not have the 1 kop of either 1795 or 1788. I would like to get them at some point. By unusual overstrikes you men the unauthorized (accidental) overstrikes?

Where on earth can you even find such a coin?!?!?!? That is a tough coin to fill up for a copper type set! I'll be requesting an image if possible, although I know there is no way I can get it now.

By unusual overstrikes, I perhaps should have typed uncommon overstrikes. Common ones are such as the overstruck eagle in cloud kopek, Peter III kopeks are all pretty "common". The more uncommon or unusual ones in my opinion is the Anna denga overstruck on 1724, Elizabeth kopek over Swedish one ore and as well as the overstruck Sadagura coinages. Much rarer are overstrucked pattern coins overstruck, which makes me wonder if they are done officially or the Mint just ran out of planchets and didn't bother to save them.

Congradulations on your find of the 1795 2kopeks. That is quite difficult to find - I can't imagine finding that any day soon.

I fink you are wrong, this way you will never find unlisted coins and full collection. And you missing research in the other dates and unlisted combination of avers and reverse, overdates...I have space for more coins in my collection, will buy any heavy coins for reasonable price from number 21 and up

I "fink" that Unlike the lucky (a******) ones who was buying this stuff 10 years ago for peanuts, I really have to pay good money for every coin. If I want to do serious research, I will kindly ask you if I can use your extensive collection :-) How heavy is "heavy"?

(a******) Collection is not full, missing above 500 grams .

Hi BKB, thank you for sharing the pictures of your wonderful new acquisition! It is definitely better than the Michailovitch (=Diakov) and the BrekkeCollection coins. I will keep your pictures to compare with forthcoming (hopefully) offers, because your coin is authentic. I am writing this because there had been an altered 5kop1767EM on a German auction sale recently (WAG). Upon my intervention (and maybe that of others) the coin had been withdrawn. I could not see the edge of it although I had asked for that. CM had wider edge netting than EM, so edge comparison can already detect an altered EM coin. But the general appearance of 5kop1767EM differs from 5kop1767CM on both sides. See below 2 links, one showing the edge comparison of my EM and CM coins (still lacking the 1767CM!!!) and the other with the altered EM/CM coin. Would you show the edge of your 5kop1767CM coin? I would like to see if it fits into my pattern. Thank you again. Sigi
http://www.sigistenz.com/bilder/EM-CMedges.jpg
http://www.sigistenz.com/bilder/5kop1767CMfake.jpg

Hi BKB, thank you for sharing the pictures of your wonderful new acquisition! It is definitely better than the Michailovitch (=Diakov) and the BrekkeCollection coins. I will keep your pictures to compare with forthcoming (hopefully) offers, because your coin is authentic. I am writing this because there had been an altered 5kop1767EM on a German auction sale recently (WAG). Upon my intervention (and maybe that of others) the coin had been withdrawn. I could not see the edge of it although I had asked for that. CM had wider edge netting than EM, so edge comparison can already detect an altered EM coin. But the general appearance of 5kop1767EM differs from 5kop1767CM on both sides. See below 2 links, one showing the edge comparison of my EM and CM coins (still lacking the 1767CM!!!) and the other with the altered EM/CM coin. Would you show the edge of your 5kop1767CM coin? I would like to see if it fits into my pattern. Thank you again. Sigi
http://www.sigistenz.com/bilder/EM-CMedges.jpg
http://www.sigistenz.com/bilder/5kop1767CMfake.jpg

No problem. Will make a picture today.