I've never really figured out how to categorize them. So I'm asking opinions. This is for the coins not the notes. I will go there seperately.

For those who don't know, here's a summary of what Notgeld is...

http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/5373/notgeld.htm

It was not just issed by Germany, but many countries.

I'm going with exonumia, mainly because, if I understand the definitions I've seen (including your example), they were not issued by any government. Sort of like British Conder Tokens which were "allowed" by government for use as circulating "small change", but not minted by said government. Notgeld would fall into that category, IMHO.

Hmmm... I consider them coins if they were issued by municipalities and exonumia if they were issued by another organization (transport, beer hall etc.) It's my personal definition. According to Wiki, notgeld was not a legal tender but rather a mutually accepted means of payment. Issued in coins, leather, silk, linen, stamps, aluminium foil, coal and all sorts of re-used paper and carton material (e.g. playing cards).

I don/t know much abou tthem but I would tend to agree with Anton's definition.

I said something else. I think that they're a little of each. Some are coins, some are tokens. I agree with akdrv's definition.

However you catagorize them, they're highly collectable & in demand the last few years.

to me, it has always been currency

guess i should have read better.

I voted for exonumia. Even though they were nominally official issues, notgeld and kriegsgeld were still basically tokens since they were made of common industrial materials, ( some of those materials weren't even metals) and because they were issued by local authorities which weren't actually empowered to issue money.

I'd like to hear the views of others on the subject.

Me too, that's why I asked.

I consider Notgeld to be paper tokens.

I'm strictly speaking the "coin" type, not the paper.

Exonumia, I think. But it is kind of difficult to draw a strict dividing line. The Jaeger catalog ("the" standard for German post-1871 coins), for example, does not list notgeld except for the pieces issued by German states or state banks. Also, there is notgeld that actually circulated, and other notgeld coins (and notes) that were produced almost exclusively for fundraising ...

Christian

I am not sure so I will keep reading to learn more...

Porcelain notgeld are "coin" type?
Casino tokens from 1920's are notgeld "coin type" or tokens?
All you can consider tokens, witout problems. But... who cares? If you like them, collect them! Otherwise... give it to me!

I do collect them, but mostly mine are the iron "coin type". I collect the paper too.

I didn't even know there was such a think as coin notgeld.

I always though it was those fancy notes.

As for a definition, coming at this from a rather green and totally unexperienced angle in this field i'd probably say exnuwhatsit. (Can't we have a better word for that, that i can spell?)


Simply put notgeld, is not real official 'regal' currency and thus accepted or not it's something other than money, so it's outside money, so it exnuwhatsit. Don't you just love solving problems semantically?

It's funny because the reason why I am asking is I was going to do a little VCM display and am trying to figure out where to put it so it offends the least amount of people. So it either goes under world coins or exonumia.

The iron coin issues are usually kriegsgeld , aren't they?

I have them with both...

The 1st pic looks to much tokenish for me. The second looks coinish. Nice design. I have most of the Coblenz pieces, very dark only, that's history, And I love it.

< I didn't even know there was such a think as coin notgeld. >

Yep, issued by municipalities, private individuals, businesses, transportation companis etc. I collect French coin notgeld, and the German municipal coins (I have over 1,200 different varieties of the German issues by Lamb numbers.) I don't do the paper notgeld at all.

OK Condor, How about some pics of you're notgeld?

Wow! Argentum, since when did you become my spokesman? My exact thoughts also!


I would lump them in with Exonumia. It sounds very much like Conder tokens and US hard luck tokens.