Now here is a coin that represents ... Your Tax Euros At Work.

In November the Dutch Mint issues a new collector coin, with the theme "200 years Belastingdienst". There will be a €5 silver piece, and also a gold coin. The designs will be available in a couple of days. The Belastingdienst is (more or less) the Dutch equivalent of the IRS. Maybe this will be a coin with a big hole in the middle, hehe.

Christian

now that's a weird idea.......

Anyway, that gives me something to do, right after I come home from my trip : off to the post office to pick a bunch up, at face value, for myself and CP-friends.

Anyone interested?

sshhh! here in the u.s. commemorative coins are usually fundraisers for something related to the subject of the coin ... "that's how we'll solve the deficit ... we'll issue IRS commemorative coins!"

i'm interested ... i'm guessing the design will feature a building ?!?

According to the Mint (website), the design will be "revealed" next week. Basically I am interested, but let's see what it will look like first ...

Christian

A building, hmm, I dunno. Since the begining of times, our "IRS" uses the same blue coloured envelopes for their mail, so the coins should be that shade of blue. Or maybe not, since it's probably one of the most hated shades of blue here...


To be honest, I have no idea how the revere of that coin will look like. I will get one for myself, whether I like the design or not, since I "need" it for my collection.

No, not a building. But it is an interesting design:



The designer combined a coin from 1806 with one from 2006 ... So yes, Erik, please add my name to the "Me Too" list.

Christian

Gotcha


from the Royal Dutch Mint web site:


Designer Hennie Bouwe is responsible for the fantastic design. He says about it: "I wanted to visiualize the positive side of 200 years tax service with a coin in a coin. With this I symbolize a core that stands for 200 years of tax, serving our society. Since in 1806 also the first orders to design coins were given, I have placed a coin from then and a coin from now in the core. Together they form the basis of a new legal tender in our society."

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Trantor_3
Henare
tabbs
Tiffibunny
Banivechi
Sir Sisu
Sir Sisu
ccg

Must you even ask?

Well, since this is tax related, I can imagine people to want to stay away as far as possible

I am interested too to have one!

That one is quite interesting, I definitely would like to get one. (And if you get stuck with extras, I would not mind two. ) Thank you!

stick me on the list for this one if there's room!

that is a cool design ... I think I'd be interested in two of these.

what's the text surrounding the queen's portrait on the obverse? YOU OWE US * PAY UP NOW * YOU OWE US * PAY UP NOW * ...

The text must be: "this coin is not YOUR, it is OUR!"

I'll let you know as soon as I've found a larger image with readable text.....

Is that actually text on the obverse? The single elements seem to have about the same length - too "uniform" for real words IMO. But I could be wrong.

I also wonder whether the coin will have a bimetallic look. Guess it will be a silver piece again, but the "modern coin" depicted looks as if it had more than one color, like the €2 pieces. Hmm.

Christian

I am just going by the image, but if you look to the left of the date there is an empty space and the same at 8 o'clock in the center of the coin. It seems as if there are sentences circling there way towards the center. Perhaps the legal text regarding the foundation or duty of the institution?




My guess is one color. It would be neat to have a latent image of the current euro design and a design from the year in question.

I do think Sir Sisu is right on the text and I'm pretty sure it's a 92.5% silver coin. This design will be available in three different coins:

0.9250 Silver €5 in circ. quality, available at face value
0.9250 Silver €5 in proof, price €27.95
0.9000 Gold €10 in proof, price €164.95



I'm wondering how many mint marks and privy marks will be present on this coin.... I can see in the reverse image athat there's three marks at the "bottom", but the two coins that are depicted, normally have mint marks as well, on the depicted sides.

Now that better images of the coin design are available, we know what the "mysterious" text means. Apparently they simply list all the years between 1806 and 2006 ...

Here http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7609/belastoa7.jpg is an image that I scanned from the new issue (11/2006) of MünzenRevue. (Edit:) A better/more detailed one is http://www.muntenhuis.nl/images/belastingzilver-gr.jpg here.

In addition to the €5 coin (that will be available at face value, mintage somewhere around 500,000) there will also be two proof versions: €5 silver (mintage 15,000) and €10 gold (mintage 5,500).

Christian

ok, due to my vacation and the fact that I kinda forgot about this, a bit later than intended:

I have them

[picture will be added here, later]

1 x Trantor_3
2 x Henare
1 x tabbs
1 x Tiffibunny
1 x Banivechi
2 x Sir Sisu
1 x ccg

I'll try to find out about postage tomorrow and then I'll let you know what the total cost will be. The coin itself is face value: €5.

Due to the computer problems I had recently, I lost many of my CP member adresses, can you please PM me your addresses again?

No problem at all - thanks for getting these! Actually I won't be back in Germany until 9-Dec. So as far as I am concerned, take your time. PM to come ...

Christian

Goed! En ik ben nu terug ... hint hint

Christian

Sthg I didn't know is that those commerative coins are only legal tender in the country that issues them.
Only €2 commemorative coins are legal tender thoughout the euro zone.

I wonder why.

We have three different types of coins in Euroland: circulation coins (1 cent - 2 euro), commemorative coins (€2 only), and collector coins (any denomination not used for the first two kinds). This third type was supposed to be, or to allow for, a continuation of the pre-euro special issues. Germany and the Netherlands for example used to issue special silver DEM/NLG coins at face value, while silver pieces from France and Italy carried and carry a hefty surcharge, much like the US silver dollars. Some euro countries also continued to use the diameters and other specifications that collectors were used to.

I suppose the idea behind the (comm/coll) differentiation was something like, hey, those collector coins play hardly any role in everyday life anyway, so every member state may issue whatever it wants. (That is also why there are silver collector coins with face values such as €0.25, €8, €12, and so on.) Makes the collectors happy while the supermarket cashier in, say, Portugal does not have to think about whether that odd piece from, say, Finland is just some kind of token or actually money.

Christian

As far as I know, the German 10 Euro coins are available for 15 Euros (I haven't been able to find them for less). The Dutch silver coins seem to be the only ones that sell at face value. Some do circulate. When I try to spend them (in the NL, near the Hague) most people have never seen one. Most of those won't believe that they are legal tender.

Not really. In Germany you can get the silver €10 collector coins, at face value, from any Bundesbank branch office (there are about 60 in DE) and from many commercial banks. What costs €15 is the Spiegelglanz (prooflike) version.

Austria, Portugal and Spain are in a "mixed" position as far as collector coins are concerned: Some of their silver pieces can be had at face value, others carry a surcharge. A little strange, but that's the way it is ....

Oh, and - welcome to CoinPeople!

Christian

Christian, all Portuguese Euro silver coins (commem.) can be bought for face value in their "regular" version, although some of the earliest types were minted in "BNC" versions as well (besides "proof").

Jose

Did the legend say something about a kilo of flesh or a liter of blood?

Ah yes - with regard to Portugal, I apparently got different designs and different silver contents mixed up. So it's the Netherlands, Portugal and Germany which are in the "face" category, Austria and Spain in the "partly face, partly above" camp, and the others rip us collectors off.

Christian

Since you are our very own resident acquisitioner, you need to let us know what the designs are and take orders for them, ala Trantor_3 and Tabbs ~ both of whom have liberally supplied my kiddos and myself with Dutch and German coins.

Barbers and SL's await Besides I am getting Portuguese coins withdrawl

I agree!

Ha, he does! But it seems Jose is too embarrassed to publicly present the new issues which he somewhere referred to as "artistic monstrosities" ... For some reason however he did not make that offer in a discussion about the Dutch Belastingdienst coin but here:

(List of PT 2007 coins)
http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php?s=&...st&p=290676

(Jose's offer)
http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php?s=&...st&p=293567

Christian

... and just like Jose, I dare not make any offers. The new German €10 Saarland coin, for example, is derrière ugly in my view, and it's cold and rainy here, so why go out and get any?

Christian

My offer regarding Portuguese Euro Commem. coins is open to everybody, i taught that nobody asked because they knew the designs...

Here they are: COINS

If something fancy's you let me know, but it can take a few weeks to get them, the weather is sunny and not too cold but January isn't what i would call a "accountant friendly month"...

Jose

I do not bother with offering help in buying Finn silver commems because regardless of design quality, they are just too @#$*% expensive!

I do not bother with offering help in buying Finn silver commems because regardless of design quality, they are just too @#$*% expensive!

But I am glad there are others out there that help in offering the more reasonably priced €uros.

Does that mean... no German commems??? I hope the means you're kidding!

Did I offer to get any? Did you receive any?

See ...

(Well, have a look at this http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php?showtopic=8207 topic.)

Christian

Shipping these tomorrow.....

Today I've received the coin (thank you trantor3!), and I've noticed that there are some errors: in the spiral of years, instead 1826 is 1896 and the years 1877 and 1977 are missing!

You sure paid a lot of attention to the details. And yes, both the silver coin and the €10 gold coin have those errors: "Helaas zijn in de laatste versie van deze documenten door technische problemen omissies terecht gekomen. Hierdoor staan op alle gouden en zilveren Belastingmunten een aantal jaartallen niet of onjuist vermeld."

http://nl.knm.nl/domains/knm/pages/article..._11720000000017

So all Belastingdienst coins are error pieces, so to say.

Christian

Received mine too, Thanks T!

Now to go find that loupe....