Goetzdude

Gee, only thirteen years since this thread began? 😉 Well, collecting Goetz rarities can take some time. I just picked this Goetz birth medal up from a German auction. A companion piece with Bertrand's sister's birth medal of 1910 and the original topic of this thread. K- 64 BERTRAND VAN WEIN BIRTH MEDAL 1912 Cast Bronze, Commemorative Medal, 50.0mm, 48.4g., Rim-punched; K•GœTz Obverse: BERTRAND • VAN • WIEN • GEBOREN • AM 5 • JULI / 1912 (Bertrand van Wien, born July 5th, 1912). Reverse: ALLEN • DREIEN • GLÜCKLICH • GEDEIHEN (To all three happy prosperity). The letters S, J and B on the reverse are the initials of the first names of the van Wien children. Goetz was commissioned by the Dutch Van Wien family to commemorate their son's birth on July 12, 1912.

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Ludwig Gies 'Mortar in Firing Position' 1914, Cast Bronze Uniface Medal, 62.5mm, 90.0g., Ernsting WVZ 56, Eight known (six museum, two, private collections) Three heavy guns, camouflaged on hills by bulwarks, miniature soldiers pull carts with cannon balls piled high on them while an officer sights in the target behind the guns. A rare early war piece where Gies shows weapons of war. He soon becomes a pacifist using strictly Medieval allegory to convey the futility of the war.

I haven't a clue as to his political bent. There isn't much written about him. He was a Munich Schooler along with Gies, Zadikow, and others. All Germans were taken aback when the war didn't 'end by Christmas' in 1914. Reports of the amount of death and destruction painted the situation as grim. Here is a short read on the general overview of the artists and their work from the German WWI experience. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-reviews/10839673/Cast-iron-insights-into-war-as-the-enemy-saw-it.html

Here's the other May piece I got in the same auction. The Last Shot Cast Bronze/Uniface, 84mm X 156mm,196.28g RRRR There is absolutely nothing written about this medallion. Not even any mention from German museums whom I believe I was bidding against as the prices for these two medals was 3X any of the other May WWI material. The size of this cannon may be alluding to the use of "Big Bertha" which was designed by Krup.

Yes, I have posted Ludwig Gies medals from the same time period before. I've never seen Karl May's works offered before and was able to pick up the two rarest pieces a month or so ago out of Germany. I could share the other May piece if you are interested. My Ludwig Gies WWI collection now numbers 33 pieces which is probably double what I had back when I was posting. I can show everyone the new stuff if there is interest too. All of this material is as rare as hens teeth and you'd usually need to visit a museum in Germany to even see any of them.

Karl May After the Battle (1915) Nach der Schlacht Cast Bronze, Uniface Medal, 68mm, 76.80g. RRR Exhausted, Death sits in contemplation upon a devastating, modern weapon of war. A quintessential Karl May WWI piece exhibiting 'death' as the main feature of the war. German so die Legende, sitz der Tod auf einem Geschütz. Der Tod, und zwar der Tod durch die moderne Waffentechnik, das ist dabei die Idee und das Bild, das mit Kampf und Schlacht verbunden wird. Jede chauvinistische Heldentod-Verklärung liegt dem Medailleur hier fern. Karl May hat eine ganze Reihe solcher Medaillen geschaffen, die den Gedanken des Todes als dem Hauptmerkmal des Krieges eindrucksvoll ins Bild setzen. Das motiv des Todes auf der Kanone ist vielleicht von einer ikonographisch allerdings abweichenden Darstellung dieses Sujets auf einer bereits vor dem Krieg geschaffenen Medaille von Ludwig Gies inspiriert worden.

Karl Goetz K-132 THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR RECEIVES THE SERBIAN ASSASSINS (Serajewo, Der Funke des Weltbrandes) 1914 Cast Bronze, 58.0mm, Wt. 54.60g, Frankenhuis 1412 Obverse: The murderers of the Austrian Throne Inheritor Ferdinand are paid off by the Russian Ambassador. The inscription reads, “ The Russian Reverse: A Serbian nationalist, concealing a bomb, sneaks across the Austrian border. This is Goetz’s first medal that concerned the most significant event starting the First World War: The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand in Serajevo on June 28, 1914. The boundary post marked “Serajewo” indicates the turning point in the history of nations. ------------------ My image of this medal is currently used with a Dr.K.A. Rodgers article in the June issue of The Australasian Coin & Banknote Magazine The Reverse can be found on the cover. I will be contributing Goetz, Gies, Eberbach, and some French and Belgium images to a suite of many articles covering the events of WWI in this magazine through 2018

KarlGoetz.com has reprinted Kienast's two reference books and you can find them at the following link. This set is selling for 1/10 of the going price for the hard to find original hard copies but contain the same content. You can find them here: http://www.karlgoetzmedals.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductId=410

yup, based on the difference in the rims, this Lincoln is a restrike. Thanks, never had great hopes for it but thought I'd ask.

Hi, I have this Lincoln medal I don't know squat about. And I also have a token with flip info. I wrote to Levine but he never responded. Any help including values would be sweet if you can find the time. Thanks.

The guy that sent this piece and a Goetz piece to me for attribution evidently didn't like what I had to tell him. His Goetz restrike, at best, was worth $100 (Flip had $475 on it), and this medal $50 (Flip had $275 on it). He said just send the material back to him. He stiffed me...I paid postage to return it to him safely and he never paid me back. Thanks to him, no one will get further assistance like this. Thanks anyway guys!!! At least I learned something and I guess that's all that matters.

Anyone know who might deal in these? Scott

Okay, Here are some links to much larger images. It still looks cast to me but give me your opinions. It certainly needs an acetone and olive oil bath either way. http://www.crestviewcable.com/~archy2/DSCN1298.jpg http://www.crestviewcable.com/~archy2/DSCN1299.jpg http://www.crestviewcable.com/~archy2/DSCN1300.jpg http://www.crestviewcable.com/~archy2/DSCN1301.jpg Thanks again for your assists

I'll need to do a closer analysis...it sure looks cast but then again I don't deal with 500 year old material on even a yearly basis. I'll pull out the 10X stereoscope in the next day or two and take a look. It's possible this is brown copper too. What kind of throws me off is its glossy surface, not lacquered but certainly glossy. I'll also try to get some much closer HR images of different aspects of the piece to see what you guys think. Thanks again!!