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Hello, Alexander. I read your post on coins.su.

You made me reach for the book that was sitting on the shelf collecting dust for the past 12-15 years.

It appears that photographs for 130.1, 130.2, 130.3, and 130.4 are there in the catalog (mine does not have 130.5 :( )

Pictures seem to be self explanatory. Rarenum motioned the basic differences.

Tell us more, so we would know what you are after.

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I followed your link and now understand more about your project.

The best is to go to this site:

 

http://www.m-dv.ru/monety-rossii-1700-1917/kid,7/mid,5/nid,22/types.html

 

 

There you can match the pictures of the obverses against Krause and see the descriptions you looking for.

You can also see the subtypes for each bust type, if they exist. Skip Novodels.

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Dear Igor,

 

RUBLE 1707 KM# 130.1 or Dav 1643: Crowned double eagle dividing Slavic date below. Several varietes. With H, G, or no letter on sleeve.

 

If you'll check Monetny Dvor or raritetus.ru, only 1707-H has a Slavic date. Both 1707-G or no letter have the date in Arabic (1707).

 

That is why I've got a question - what logic Krause or Davenport catalogs' editors as been using?

 

Best regards,

Alexander

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Dear Igor,

 

RUBLE 1707 KM# 130.1 or Dav 1643: Crowned double eagle dividing Slavic date below. Several varietes. With H, G, or no letter on sleeve.

 

If you'll check Monetny Dvor or raritetus.ru, only 1707-H has a Slavic date. Both 1707-G or no letter have the date in Arabic (1707).

 

That is why I've got a question - what logic Krause or Davenport catalogs' editors as been using?

 

Best regards,

Alexander

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Hi Aleksander,

 

It is hard to find logic if some catalogs outdated or info. missing.

 

The best specialized book for period of the Peter the Great is Diakov book for gold, silver and copper

2 parts (2000) or for gold and silver (2012):

 

Listed for 1707:

 

2 variety.-with"H" with Cyrillic and Arabic

 

1 variety.- "H" missing, Arabic date

 

1 small head var. with "G",Arabic date

 

in additional 1 pattern with text"MOSKOVSKIY" with Cyrillic date and novodels struck in gold and silver with Arabic date

 

Rarenum

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Hello, Alexander. I read your post on coins.su.

You made me reach for the book that was sitting on the shelf collecting dust for the past 12-15 years.

It appears that photographs for 130.1, 130.2, 130.3, and 130.4 are there in the catalog (mine does not have 130.5 :( )

Pictures seem to be self explanatory. Rarenum motioned the basic differences.

Tell us more, so we would know what you are after.

Igor,

 

KM-130.5 1707 SMALL HEAD WITH "G"

 

Rarenum

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In my catalog (First Edition) - 130.4 is small bust w/G on sleve (Davenport 1646)

 

Alexander,

 

I am sure you realized - if date is in () in Krause, it is a Slavic date.

Also, your task is not an easy one, and it will not pay off at the end :(.

But, if you want to spend more time on it, you can go on m-dv through the coins sold at the US auctions (Goldberg, Heritage, Stacks, etc.) a\nd see how they attributed them to Krause, Davenport, Bitkin, etc.

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I now glanced at your other section - the roubles of 1704-1705. I wonder if this description is clear to anyone - "crown above eagle is open on edges". I usually see in the descriptions "open" or "closed", so not sure if adding "on edges" clarifies it further or not. You should also flip the pictures of the last reverse and the last obverse, since that obverse comes only with that reverse. That is a very rare "struck in collar" variety (you should change "minted in a circle" to "struck in collar"). Also, not exactly sure on the meaning of this - "Crown above eagle is short"?

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Dear Igor,

 

Thanks a lot for your comment. Coin Brothers is a User Generated Catalog. Would be great if you'll edit this page to make it close to perfect. If you would need any support with graphics, I would be happy to provide.

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Looks better now. There are still things there that could be improved, but that can be done in time by the project supporters.

 

Thank, Igor!

 

By the way, do you have any ideas about the thickness of these Rubles?

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